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ID | Project | Category | View Status | Date Submitted | Last Update |
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0000360 | OpenMPT | Feature Request | public | 2013-03-15 22:09 | 2013-03-18 16:32 |
Reporter | cyaoeu | Assigned To | Saga Musix | ||
Priority | normal | Severity | minor | Reproducibility | N/A |
Status | resolved | Resolution | fixed | ||
Product Version | OpenMPT 1.21.01.00 (upgrade first) | ||||
Target Version | OpenMPT 1.22.01.00 (upgrade first) | Fixed in Version | OpenMPT 1.22.01.00 (upgrade first) | ||
Summary | 0000360: New chord functionality (relative) | ||||
Description | Hi! I think chords and the chord editor could become more useful if the chords were relative instead of absolute. You could then have different chord keys for major, minor, dim, octave and so on, and you would use the chord editor to define these relative shapes. You would have to input a note first to set the chord root, but I think this is a small disadvantage when compared to the benefits. I think this functionality could be useful because it would be easier to use and allow more chord options than the current functionality. Also, you could enable record for just one extra track and easily make "power chords" (fifths) or octaves on different tracks and so on. | ||||
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Has the bug occurred in previous versions? | |||||
Tested code revision (in case you know it) | |||||
Sounds like a reasonable idea. No promises that I will get around implementing this anytime soon, though. |
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I'm currently playing around with this as an additional option to the current system. |
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Please try this new test build: http://sagagames.de/stuff/mptrack.exe |
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Oh, it's also worth mentioning that you can now enter chords without having to specify record channels. |
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Very cool! This has the behavior I wanted, and it got even easier to use since there's no longer any need to select the additional channels. Maybe it would be nice to have a "Set all chords to relative" button and another one to reset the chords to default base keys. (just for the initial setup) Also, maybe there could be an additional function where shift-presses after the first note input keeps the root note of the previous note (instead of using the note of the next key) but uses the relative chord of the button? Also, a minor bug (I think): in the chord editor, you can't click D# to set it as a chord note. Selecting it in the drop down menu works fine. Thanks for the quick feature and I hope it makes it into the next release! :) |
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I dunno, that sounds rather arbitrary to me (usually, a chord progression wouldn't stay on the same base note anyway, would it?).
Good catch! This should now be fixed in the latest test build (same like as above). |
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I don't think so. When you're inputting a relative chord without inputting a note first, do you want the note and the chord shape or just the chord shape? Note and chord shape: Press a chord key on an empty row to create a new note and a relative chord based on what relative chord you had on that key. Chord shape: Press a chord key on an empty row to create a relative chord and a C note root (if first) or the root note of the last note a chord was created from. In my opinion "note" sounds a lot more arbitrary since having the note you want and the relative chord you want match up would be pretty rare. Instead I think you would either want the note (and input the note normally) or a certain chord (by inputting the note first and then the chord you want). This is only true if you've actually got different chord shapes though, if you've got for example major relative chords on every key the way it works now is perfect. Now, if I wanted to make a bunch of different chord shapes with the same root note but with different chords (treating the root note as a bass note) I would have to first make a row of C notes and then do the chords on top. Having the notes be separate would be slightly faster for me. |
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Alright, I've changed it to use the last entered chord's base note instead when there's no note. Test build is available under the same URL again. |
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Nice, now it works just the way I want it to. There will probably be people who prefer entering both the note and the relative chord at the same time and make chords that work with those notes, so having this functionality in a toggle switch or something could be useful. Another cool thing you can do with this new functionality is to have a relative chord without any notes in the chord, and you can use that chord to repeat the root note and press other chords to make chord stabs. Very useful! As is the possibility of making chord stabs without having to enter the root note every time. Something that could be useful is a "chord note cut" feature where you put note cuts on every channel where a note was last produced by a chord. You could use this to make chords "snappy" and even use it to quickly make arpeggios. Make a 4 note chord, a 4 note cut "chord", edit the notes and note cuts to play as an arpeggio, move the last note cut to the top of the pattern, flood paste, done :) |
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Actually that simple arpeggio you can just do in one channel, but having the notes on four different channels allows you to do some pretty cool things, is what I wanted to say. :P |
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Something that could be useful is a "chord note cut" feature where you put note cuts on every channel where a note was last produced by a chord. You could use this to make chords "snappy" and even use it to quickly make arpeggios. Make a 4 note chord, a 4 note cut "chord", edit the notes and note cuts to play as an arpeggio, move the last note cut to the top of the pattern, flood paste, done :) Cutting chords should now work properly when "record note off" is enabled. To use this functionality, either record chords live (while the pattern is playing) or move down in the pattern while keeping the chord shortcut pressed. |
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Great, but having for example shift+ยง doing the same thing as "record note off" when inputting chords, but manually, would be even better for me. When you want the note cuts in a specific place, holding the chord and moving down in the pattern feels pretty awkward. Record note offs when actually recording works fine, but can also be quite inaccurate at times so having a quick way to input multiple note cuts would be very useful. |
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Hint: You could try the new Quantize settings in the pattern context menu for more accurate recording. I don't really know if it's feasible to have a dedicated chord cut shortcut. Anyway, to keep things tidy, I'd like you to move that into a separate issue, since it doesn't have anything to do with the original feature request. |
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Date Modified | Username | Field | Change |
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2013-03-15 22:09 | cyaoeu | New Issue | |
2013-03-15 22:27 | Saga Musix | Note Added: 0001132 | |
2013-03-17 13:52 | Saga Musix | Assigned To | => Saga Musix |
2013-03-17 13:52 | Saga Musix | Status | new => assigned |
2013-03-17 13:52 | Saga Musix | Note Added: 0001133 | |
2013-03-17 14:39 | Saga Musix | Note Added: 0001134 | |
2013-03-17 14:39 | Saga Musix | Status | assigned => feedback |
2013-03-17 14:40 | Saga Musix | Note Added: 0001135 | |
2013-03-17 19:35 | cyaoeu | Note Added: 0001138 | |
2013-03-17 19:35 | cyaoeu | Status | feedback => assigned |
2013-03-17 22:01 | Saga Musix | Note Added: 0001139 | |
2013-03-17 22:01 | Saga Musix | Status | assigned => feedback |
2013-03-18 00:01 | cyaoeu | Note Added: 0001140 | |
2013-03-18 00:01 | cyaoeu | Status | feedback => assigned |
2013-03-18 01:24 | Saga Musix | Note Added: 0001141 | |
2013-03-18 01:24 | Saga Musix | Status | assigned => feedback |
2013-03-18 12:29 | cyaoeu | Note Added: 0001143 | |
2013-03-18 12:29 | cyaoeu | Status | feedback => assigned |
2013-03-18 12:51 | cyaoeu | Note Added: 0001144 | |
2013-03-18 13:29 | Saga Musix | Note Added: 0001145 | |
2013-03-18 13:29 | Saga Musix | Status | assigned => feedback |
2013-03-18 16:24 | cyaoeu | Note Added: 0001146 | |
2013-03-18 16:24 | cyaoeu | Status | feedback => assigned |
2013-03-18 16:32 | Saga Musix | Note Added: 0001147 | |
2013-03-18 16:32 | Saga Musix | Reproducibility | have not tried => N/A |
2013-03-18 16:32 | Saga Musix | Status | assigned => resolved |
2013-03-18 16:32 | Saga Musix | Resolution | open => fixed |
2013-03-18 16:32 | Saga Musix | Fixed in Version | => OpenMPT 1.22.01.00 (upgrade first) |
2013-03-18 16:32 | Saga Musix | Target Version | => OpenMPT 1.22.01.00 (upgrade first) |