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|0000953||OpenMPT||[All Projects] Feature Request||public||2017-05-12 15:23||2017-05-20 22:12|
|Product Version||OpenMPT 1.26.10.00 / libopenmpt 0.2-beta23 (upgrade stable)|
|Target Version||Fixed in Version|
|Summary||0000953: Default Volume for instruments|
Odd...Using an old module and sequencing an old piano solo manuscript (just plugging notes into patterns), i had a VSTi with blank samples attached. This wasn't important until i needed to use Default Volumes for inputting notes. What i was trying to do was install default volumes on notes using that VSTi.
It seems there should be another, simpler way to show what an Instrument's Default volume is going to be when inputting notes. A new user may not realize that any attached sample slots to a VSTi will assign the DEFAULT volume of the sample, rather than the GLOBAL value of the Instrument.
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This is expected behavior, but can be confusing when entering notes from Instruments that use a VSTi and a sample.
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|Has the bug occurred in previous versions?||Probably|
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A new user should never reach this situation - if you create an instrument from a plugin, it is created without any sample associations by default, and if you decide to turn a sample-based instrument into a plugin-based instrument, OpenMPT will offer to remove all sample associations as you have found out, for this very reason (and a couple of others).
To put it more explicit: Having instrument plugins and samples within the same instrument is a deprecated option, hence I see no action required here.
That basically equates to "I don't want to see default volumes but I still want to see them"? I don't get the point of disabling this option (it's default-on) but still wanting to know the default volume. Please don't request features that are potentially useful for someone else but you don't require yourself (as far as I understand you have the Show Default Volume feature turned on). If a person had a good reason to request this feature, they would hopefully do so (or otherwise it's their problem).
For what it's worth, I have documented the default case (instrument with plugin assignment and no samples) more clearly: https://wiki.openmpt.org/Manual:_Instruments#Volume_and_Panning
Wow, 90% of the time, Saga, you make it difficult to ask for any FRs and your attitude is unfortunately stereotypical for "geeks." I find that i'm more and more hesitant to make any mention of bugs or FRs because of your automatic dismissal of people's ideas. Or do you just reserve this attitude for mine.
My FRs are not always about me, but about ease of use for ANYBODY. Whenever i use any software and wonder if it can be done better, i take into account that OTHERS may find my ideas of any use, not just myself. Plus, if i just mentioned that i wanted the feature for ME, how quick would you respond with, "Well, we can't change the software just for your personal preferences..." Please don't ask me to "please don't ask for features that you're not going to use yourself." It's shortsighted and insulting, in case you didn't read it the way you wrote it.
The FR actually involved opening older files (in this case one that was used as a template) that was created with a previous version of openMPT BEFORE we were given the option to opt out of sample slot assignment when a user is assigning a plugin to an Instrument. The devs' current motivation seems to be inclusive of previous versions or older modules, so i'm curious as to the "whiff of the hand" and the upturned nose.
However, for more modern modules, it would be helpful as a Preview option to know what Default Volume will be used, just like we know what Instrument will be used (whatever's showing in the dropdown) and where the cursor will go when we enter a note (whatever showing in the Row Spacing field). These preview options make it easier to understand what will happeen when we do what we want to do, and such is the nature of the Feature Request.
I hope that clarifies the matter and inspires to take another look at the request and your assessment of it.
To give a clarification of how I intended it to be read: We (and most other projects, certainly) do not want feature requests of the kind that the reporter themselves does not actually need but thinks that some day, someone out there might consider to be useful. Just to give an extreme example to make it obvious: Someone requesting OpenMPT to open Cubase project files, without ever having used Cubase themselves. These kind of requests just turn the software into bloatware because noone actually wanted that feature.
Back to the actual request:
Let me clarfiy: The old default (assigning empty sample slots to instruments with plugins) is still possible as it was before, and the new default (sample-less instrument plugins) was already possible in those old versions. It's just a matter about what is the default, and as such there is no distinction between "modern" and "old" modules (they all look the same from this perspective). However, I don't think this has anything to do with the original problem (which default volume is used when?) because that is just a matter of documentation which has been resolved in the meantime.
For the case of not showing the default volume, I don't really know where this information should be put instead. Any suggestions are welcome.
|2017-05-12 15:23||harbinger||New Issue|
|2017-05-12 16:06||Saga Musix||Note Added: 0003018|
|2017-05-12 16:07||Saga Musix||Note Edited: 0003018||View Revisions|
|2017-05-14 13:40||Saga Musix||Note Added: 0003019|
|2017-05-15 17:04||harbinger||Category||User Interface => Feature Request|
|2017-05-15 17:04||harbinger||Description Updated||View Revisions|
|2017-05-15 17:05||harbinger||Note Added: 0003023|
|2017-05-20 22:12||Saga Musix||Note Added: 0003030|